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my wife bought me a navy arms 44-40 rifle for xmas.I already reload for a ruger vaq. in 44-40.I am looking for some help with rifle loads with(my cast) 205 gr .429 lfp bullets.I have read the 92's can handle the high end loads,thanks for any help.
pete
45/70,45colt and 45 acp life is good
Pete,

Speer #13, pp 399-400 shows loads for 12 different powders for the 44-40 (rifle) with a 200 gr cast bullet. They also mention the 1892 Win being strong enough to handle "high velocity loadings". These are CAS loads, so they may not be as "high velocity" as what you are wanting.
 
thanks paul.I have that manual on the bench and have used some of those loads in the ruger vaq. w231 and unique.I just would like to try some "non cowboy" rifle loads in the navy arms(rossi)20 inch carbine.I know it a very strong action and I really don't want to make it a 44 mag but some good hunting loads.
pete
45/70,45colt and 45 acp life is good
txpete,

To get 'real' 44WCF loads you will need to go back to the past.
The current loading data for any cartridge that started life as a black powder round, is so watered down due to paranoia and litigation that it is all but useless.
(The 'useless' part is just my opinion.)
Even in the book I'm suggesting below it cautions the loader not to use the hotter of these loads in black powder guns, or weaker 1873 actions.

My suggestion would be to go to the used book sources and look for a copy of: COMPLETE GUIDE TO HANDLOADING by Phillip B. Sharp.
It was published by Funk & Wagnalls Company. First copyright was 1937.
I have the Third Edition, second revision.

It has loads for the 44WCF (44-40) that are really useable. And they are basically duplicates of the factory ammo available back then.
For example, (I'll not list the actual charges. I wouldn't want some inexperianced person to load one of the express loads up and shoot it from a black powder 1873 or clone):
On page 400, there is this data;

44-40 Win. Rifle loads, 24" barrel;
Jacketed
200gr Sp...2400.....1385fps @ 9,500cup / 2,100fps @ 33,000cup
200gr Sp...Unique...1285fps @ 9,600cup / 1,520fps @ 16,000cup
Lead
200gr L....2400.....1530fps @ N/L....../ 1,685fps @ 13,200cup / 1,910fps @ 20,000cup
200gr L....Unique...1305fps @ 10,200cup / 1,530fps @ 16,000cup

Now, from my experiance with loading the .45 Colt with Unique and other Hercules/Alliant powders for almost 30 years, and comparing the Unique data available today with that listed in this book, I will say that with the normal 10% charge reduction that should be used when working up any load, these charges will work fine in any strong actioned rifle.

Your Rossi is as strong as the smokeless 92's of the era this data came from.

Check out the older manuals, they are still viable information.

Joe
"If everything seems under control, you’re just not going fast enough."
- Mario Andretti
Joe,

I was hoping you would respond to this with info out of that Sharp book!
 
I was debating with myself about including the actual data. Decided not to.

Joe
"If everything seems under control, you’re just not going fast enough."
- Mario Andretti
thanks joe.
I have found some loads using 2400 with cast and jacketed bullets on the net.I'll start low and work up as the "new" 2400 burns faster than the old herc.
thanks anyways
pete
45/70,45colt and 45 acp life is good
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as the "new" 2400 burns faster than the old herc.

I've heard and read that too, but I haven't seen it in anything I've loaded. Maybe cuz I don't usually load to the max.

Take care, and let us know how that .44 shoots.

Joe
"If everything seems under control, you’re just not going fast enough."
- Mario Andretti
I´ve got some 44-40loads to try:
Lyman 205 gr bullet.13,0 gr of alliant 2400.
958 fps. 418 fpe.
Lyman 205 gr bullet. 14 gr Alliant 2400.
Lyman 205 gr bullet. 20 gr of IMR 4227 .
Lyman 205 gr bullet. 22,5 gr of Reloader 7.
Lyman 205 gr bullet. 9,5 gr N340 (with dacron filler).
Bosse.
 
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